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Brewed Compost Tea

Nov 13, 2010

I have been reading a little recently about 'brewed compost tea'. This is different from the compost teas that i am used to. Normal compost tea in my mind consists of taking a hessian bag of well made compost or worm compost and soaking it in water. The solution that is produced is i believe compost tea. In the past they used to use sheep dung or other dung to produce a similar liquid. Comfrey tea is gives a similar end result but uses a slightly different process to get there.

The idea i have been reading about  recently requires the liquid produced by soaking compost in water, to have air passed through it and sugar in some form added to it. The air allows aerobic bacteria to live in the water and the sugar helps to feed the bacteria.

The effect of this process i think is basically to produce a more concentrated solution.

Does anyone have first hand knowledge of this process?

Here is one of the articles that i have found. 1  

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Hi Glenn, Is your spring far enough along that you will see any plant leaf responses? And has your daughter-in-law seen these photos yet !!! One thing I've used tulle for that's almost as utilitarian is for jar-top-strainers when I sprout seeds in a quart jar or bigger - fastened with a rubber band. It makes rinsing several times daily easy. Here in the central Idaho mountains the Cottonwood leaves are just coming out an inch & very fragrant. Monday I had the windows wide open to hear the bird life along the canal. The Wood River is beyond & then Carbonate Mountain. And a large, glossy moose walked out of the open brush & onto the lawn less than 20' from my windows. Eric Schmidt, CEO of Google, was speaking on a pod cast on my table. I too enjoy juxtapositions ... I leaned aside to get a better look & the cane of my chair made a slight creak. The moose turned & looked at me! Quite a sensation ... I won't be envisioning a greens-garden in my window view any more. Now I'm going to take this as a good omen from my new totem animal for the work that's underway. It was a really large moose & I think we may soon see two moose!
I,ve had a go at making compost tea. The photo,s below show what i used. The compost i used is home made from my compost heap. It certainly frothed up. Don,t know if that is good or bad. To be honest its all a bit of a faff. I may have another go say midsummer when it is nice and hot. THe white material in the upper picture is what i used to make a bag for the compost, before putting it in the water. This is spare material from my daughter in law,s wedding vale. How about that for re-cycling. I new it would come in for something one day.
I ask about using sugar to feed aerobic bacteria, on the old KGI. I never got a clear answer or one I could understand. And I just got a hand sprayer at my surpraise 50th Birthday party! What good timing, the garden fairy must be telling me something.
I saw a complicated compost tea maker once. It seemed like it was carbonated! Sorry, don't know much about it yet.
@font-face { font-family: "Times New Roman";}@font-face { font-family: "Lucida Grande";}p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal { margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Lucida Grande"; }table.MsoNormalTable { font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Times New Roman"; }div.Section1 { page: Section1; } Not only does it have photos of compost-tea-makers that look like they'd make a good robot if you added a computer chip or two, but it introduced me to new in-depth info about the bio-life that is active & interactive in living soil, compost tea & plant surfaces. Or, NOT active if people kill it off one way or another, to their detriment. Bio-life in soil is & will be a keen current interest in my work. Much thanks to Glenn, I am SO looking forward to learning more from the work of this currently practicing scientist & hands-on grower; typed & pasted this in from the end of the pdf article: Dr. Elaine Ingham is the president of Soil Foodweb Inc., in Corvallis, Oregon, president of Soil Foodweb Institute in New South Wales, Australia, and research director at Soil Foodweb, New York. She is an adjunct faculty at southern Cross University in Lismore, Australia. Dr. Ingham also serves on the boards of numerous sustainability oriented organizations and speaks to groups around the world about the soil foodweb and how to grow plants without the use of pesticides or inorganic fertilizers. [Contact info follows.] www.soilfoodweb.com Bug Report to Roger et al: the code that appears @ the top of the comment box is not visible when I return to Edit it out. Also, paragraph spacing looks normal in the Comment & Edit boxes & is double? in final copy. May be related to glitches mentioned before around pasting in copy - something in the code is off, text in the Writing & Editing boxes is double-sized.
Happy Birthday Joel. I think you are catching me up. Regards Glenn
I have quite a bit of experience with brewing compost tea. I used to do it when I was paid to be a gardener and then I owned a business where I sold organic soil amendments and compost tea brewers. There's quite a bit of knowledge to do it right, so I can't cover it here, but I will say that the second article (the pdf) you linked to was written by Elaine Ingham, and she is the guru when it comes to compost tea. Her Compost Tea Brewing Manual is the bible. If you want to make a good tea, my advice would be to buy a good brewer that has been tested. For the average home gardener, it's too costly to set up your own and test and tweak it until you make a good tea. It's actually cheaper to buy a brewer for a couple hundred bucks. You're right about the reason behind it. The old soaking method would get a little bit of nutrition out of the compost, but not much in the way of beneficial microorganisms. The new "aerated" method, if done properly, is a great way to extract and multiply a huge number of microbes from a small amount of excellent compost, and then inoculate your entire garden, including the leaves. I've seen miraculous results from doing it just a few times. It's definitely worth the investment, but it does take some time to learn the ropes, so only do it if you think it would be fun. Hope that gives you a bit of good info.
Thank you for sharing here on Kitchen Gardeners International. :-) Could you say more about what those miraculous results looked like?
Hi Phil I was right with you until you said 'a couple of hundred bucks'. Joking apart, it certainly is a subject that is worth more investigation, but i prefer trial and error rather that forking out large sums of money. I would prefer to spend a smaller amount on a book and bring myself up to speed. I think that the one you mentioned will be on my Christmas list. Regards Glenn
Phil - could you tell us how many gardeners / gardens were served by the compost tea making set-ups in your experience? There are co-ops that share "tool libraries" & equipment such as shredders & wood-splitters ... Dr. Ingham's Compost Tea Manual IS a must to evaluate the personal & local possibilities.
I understand that for over a hundred years, many conutries had carts full of waste with water poured over it. They would pull the cart though the fields, letting the water drain out on the soil. It was called a "Honeycart" in some of the places. Now we have to buy it? What about a recycled drum, some compost or weeds & manture covered with water. Put a screen & drain on the bottom with a hose. Sounds like a junkyard project to me.
In Korea in the 50s, they carried "honey buckets" to the fields. Farmers didn't have toilets, so they did the same as we did when I was a kid at night; use the "slop bucket" or "chamber pot" and empty it on the garden during daylight hours. Many homes had a "necessary chair" that fit over the bucket for comfort. Of course we didn't eat processed foods, so there were no heavy metals in the contents of the bucket. I'm really telling my age and I love it, also I'm happy with our modern conveniences and wouldn't want to return to wartime Korea. No need for expensive brewing containers. A 5 gallon bucket with an aquarium bubbler will do a good job. A little tongue in cheek, but true. Stay natural, David
It aerates water for fish. Have you tried it for compost tea?
- it describes how brewed compost tea is aerated - has air pumped through it - and the oxygen helps grow the kinds of beneficial bacterial life that promotes plant growth & protects from disease. Maybe you could be the practical gardener who studies the machines-method & figures out how to duplicate it with a bicycle-powered aerating Compost tea brewer! In the farming museum in Edmonton, Alberta, there is quite an elaborate wooden butter churn machine that is powered by a dog-treadmill & has obviously been used a lot! Trust me, this is not a comparison! :-) I admire ingenuity. I will check whether Dr. ingham's Bible of aerated Compost Tea is available in the free inter-library loan system. Will report back. :-) Bacteria are a vast part of the web of life, but invisible to the naked eye. Like the nematodes that arrive as a dry sponge to soak in water & then sprinkle on the soil against fungus gnats, the invisibility can seem like a joke until you try it and it works. Maybe you can tell I have always wanted my own microscope. When I lived in German farm country they still used Honey Wagons that collected humanure. I got lots of practical advice from my neighbors to scrub & peel vegetables. :-)
Nice to see all the comments. I hope you don't mind if I respond to everything here. Jessica, some of the results I have seen are diseases disappearing overnight, better quality/higher quantity food, and even trees getting established where they could never be established before, due to an imbalanced soil food web. In terms of how many people could share a brewer, quite a few. 5 gallons of good compost tea will cover an acre of plants. 100 gallons of poor compost tea won't do much of anything. Glenn, yes I shouldn't have mentioned the $200 with the short explanation I gave. That kind of money is best spent by people who are growing a lot of food and who want to get better yields, higher brix, less pests, and so on. It makes sense if you are really growing a lot. For most home gardeners, I much prefer other inoculants (like effective microorganisms, but that's for another time). David and Joel, I totally agree, on the surface it seems absurd that we need to pay for a compost tea brewer. Honeycarts and honey buckets are wonderful, but they are different. They supply some nutrients, but not much in the way of microbes. Pouring water through compost or humanure doesn't extract many microbes because they are held extremely tightly onto the organic matter with the "glues" they excrete. Most of them aren't floating around in the water part of the compost, so they aren't extracted. That being said, the 2 reasons we use compost tea are 1. Because we usually don't have as much compost as we want and 2. Because the microbes who should be colonizing our plants are often not there. If we have plenty of compost, then by all means that is a magnificent way to get microbes into our soil. And if we have an established organic garden that isn't getting pesticide drift or other forms of urban pollution, we don't need to colonize the leaves with microbes. They're already there. So this is a especially useful when we're converting away from chemicals to organic practices or when we can't make enough compost to load up all of our beds. And even more than that, it's useful in wineries and on golf courses where we're growing monocultures and we need all the help we can get fighting pests and getting the nutrients to the plants. In terms of buying a bucket and a bubbler, although it is often-repeated advice, it doesn't make good compost tea. It's not that it can't make good tea, but most tests done on homemade systems come up way short in terms of the number and diversity of microbes you get. So the way to do that is do testing and tweaking a few times through a lab until you get the right amount of air pressure, amount and types of compost, additional microbe foods, and so on until you get a good tea. This testing costs hundreds of dollars, which is why I suggest going for a brewer that has been thoroughly tested for a couple hundred bucks. Jessica, yes you should get a microscope! They are a bit expensive, but I have been using mine to look at compost tea and compost and the whole microbial world for awhile now and it is beautiful and even life-changing. Hope this didn't all sound to preachy and I'll be the first to say I am an amateur at this stuff. Lots to learn, forever I imagine.
I certainly wasn't refuting the benefits of well brewed compost tea. I am a small kitchen gardener, and don't require large amounts of amendments. I use home brewed Garrett Juice as an effective foliar spray and soil drench. Other organic products can be added to this mixture to help control fungi, and insect pests if needed. WWW.dirtdoctor.com is my primary source for garden formulations. Howard Garrett has led the organic gardening and living movement in North Texas for a long time. KGI is my almost daily internet activity and a marvelous source of comradry and inspiration between gardeners of like interest over the world. Keep it coming! Yes, I use the bucket and bubbler for my compost tea and for my needs it is quite effective. Stay natural, David
Hi Phil I think the more expensive compost tea brewers would work well for a community garden, where the cost could be spread over a number of people. The problem with an expensive item like that is that there are a lot of people around who are just trying to make 'a fast buck'. I have viewed a few videos on line and you can see that some are just bullshitters. [Exscuse my French] You have to be careful that you don,t spend a lot of money for nothing. In true Yorkshire fashion [we like to keep our money in our pockets] i have gone for the cheaper option and invested in a 10 dollar aquarium pump. This is with a view to carrying out a few experiments to see if i can enhance my comfrey liquid in any way. Of all the videos i have seen this set of four was one of the better ones. Not being from the US i have not heard of him, but he appears to be quite genuine and most of what he says seems to make sense. The sound is not great though. Regards Glenn
Hi Glenn, Ya, you're right. There are a lot of bad brewers out there and it is difficult for the average consumer to know which one to pick. Thanks for the videos. I had time to watch only the first one today, but he sounds like he knows what he's talking about. Note that he is doing DO (dissolved oxygen) testing and using a microscope, so his $25 brewer did actually cost him hundreds or thousands of dollars in order to make sure he is making a good tea, but it sounds like he really is. That's all I was saying - for gardeners who need to know they're making a good tea, spending 200 bucks on a tested brewer is a great way to go so that you know what you're getting. But you're right, an aquarium pump is a fun way to start for home gardeners and if you're using good compost, you won't do harm. With a $10 pump, I'd suggest using a maximum of 1 gallon of water in the bucket in order to have the potential for enough oxygen in there. Thanks again for the discussion. Love this stuff. Phil
Hi Phil Amrut Jal & Amrut Mitti I don,t know if you have had any experience of the above. This appears to be very similar to brewed compost tea. That is a bacterial source plus sugar with simple stirring to add oxygen. I like the idea of using over ripe bananas as the sugar source. Regards Glenn
The terminology is confusing because we now call "compost tea" anything that is kept aerobic, which is kind of funny because when I make a cup of tea, I don't bubble oxygen through it. Whoever started this naming should have chosen a different name. I guess we usually say "aerated compost tea". Anyway, the above is definitely not aerated enough to get much in the way of anaerobic microbes in the tea. That being said, I imagine they've been doing this for a long time, so there must be something to it. I would much prefer to turn that manure into proper compost first because my understanding is that manure contains pathogenic microbes and it is nutritionally imbalanced (the animals used much of the nutrition for themselves). I would be concerned that this fermentation (a beneficial anaerobic process) would turn into anaerobic decomposition (a potentially harmful process), but I suppose they've probably perfected the art and know the difference between a good finished product and a bad one.

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